Apollo's Backstories: Perks and Flaws (and why Dual Destinies is mostly to blame)
2025.01.31 02:53 Sirshrugsalot13 Apollo's Backstories: Perks and Flaws (and why Dual Destinies is mostly to blame)
The multiple backstories given to Apollo Justice are a fandom in-meme at this point, and it's not hard to see why. In his so-called "trilogy", he essentially has three entirely different, completely disconnected arcs that rely on various new information usually not at all foreshadowed by the previous games. But I do think there's some nuance to the discussion to be had, so I thought I might go through each game's depiction of Apollo and his backstory, to see what underlying threads there may be, and what mistakes were made along the way.
Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney
Apollo's backstory in this game is rather underwritten, perhaps on purpose but it's notable given the contrast between him and Phoenix's first outing. In AA1, one of the first characters we're introduced to is Larry, Phoenix's childhood friend, we learn about his past with Edgeworth and how that incident inspired him to be a lawyer, as well as his dynamic with Mia. It's not super in depth, but it's enough to understand who Phoenix is as a person.
It's been a bit since I played Apollo Justice, so it's not as fresh in my mind so please let me know if I've missed anything. But by comparison we really don't learn much about him at all. The main things that we know is that he works for Kristoph Gavin and has a bracelet inherited from his mother— and then later the identity of his mother and sister. His actual past is left mostly unexplored.
I don't consider this a bad thing, but it's odd to have the set-up not get paid off in the same game, especially given how AA1-3 were handled. Apollo as such feels underexplored and perhaps underwritten. I don't recall any strong, complex feelings towards Kristoph after his betrayal, or really even anything about how they came to work together. It makes it feel rather rushed, all things considered.
But it's not the end of the world. It's Apollo Justice's first outing, after all. There's always next time to expand on what this game set up in interesting ways. Right?
Dual Destinies
I'm gonna be completely real, I think the introduction of Athena Cykes is probably the series' biggest mistake. Three lawyers in a five-case structure is inherently wonky, and trying to give them all equal screentime was always going to be arduous. The way this game shies away from Apollo and basically everything the previous game set up is honestly impressive. And extremely frustrating.
Apollo's main plot of the game has nothing to do with his mother (save for the girl who's crushing on him dressing up as her for...som reason....) or sister (who is shafted in favor of Athena), or really much of anything. Instead in case 3 he starts mentioning his super-special-never-before-seen best friend Clay Terran. Clay's been memed to hell and back and for good reason. Having an offscreen best friend get murdered just for angst is hysterical.
But Clay himself is a good idea. I could see a compelling story where Apollo and Clay were best friends through adolescence, but their differing life paths, both of which require rigorous study and training, caused them to drift apart. I could see a world where we defend Clay in case 1 or smth instead of defending Juniper TWICE, learning about their history and dynamic, before the eventual gut punch of his murder makes it all hit harder.
The game does none of that. We're not with Apollo throughout any of it. Compared to Phoenix or Athena, Apollo feels the most like an NPC. We skip the investigation phase of Case 4 and have no idea what's going on with him until basically the end of Case 5. And as much as the game tells us to care about Clay, it's impossible to— because we're not playing as Apollo, because we've never met this oh so special friend of his. It all rings hollow.
The problem isn't the backstory itself, it could easily slot in with minimal effort. Hell, AA3 does this with another period of Phoenix's life and nobody cared as much about that. The issue is that it's completely disconnected and a shoehorned way to give Apollo something to do in the game that realistically should've been an Athena Cykes solo game, no Phoenix or Apollo included.
Spirit of Justice
Spirit of Justice's Apollo backstory is a step up from Dual Destinies in many ways. As opposed to never meeting Clay, we get to meet Dhurke and Nahyuta and see Apollo's past and present with both of them. Apollo not mentioning any of this before now is given slightly more justification on account of him wanting to forget all of it.
The final case puts in a good bit of legwork on this front, to the point where the reveal of Dhurke's death is a legitimate shocking moment. Contrasting to how they handled Clay, they made the loss feel real for everyone involved.
And on top of that, it actually does fill in gaps left by AJ! The question of who Apollo's father is is one that could reasonably be asked and the idea of a traveling musician in the wrong place at the wrong time is a great idea for Apollo's dad. Lamiroir even shows up at the end credits!
So in general, this backstory works much better because it connects Apollo to current events, actually works with some of what AJ left ambiguous instead of inventing something new, and allows Apollo to experience that in real time with us playing him, allowing the twists and turns to hit all the harder. But it's not perfect by any stretch either.
My main issue with this backstory is my main issue with SoJ as a whole— that the conflict and setting are overblown to hell, and the stakes are too damn high. Nahyuta also could've used more hints of his softer side, or his being coerced before the final case— and he's mostly just a pretty blatant attempt at trying to recreate the Phoenix/Edgeworth childhood rivals dynamic. And it also is crazy that Apollo and Trucy still don't know they're related.
Conclusion
If you were to go from Apollo Justice directly to Spirit of Justice, viewing it through the lens solely for Apollo's backstory, I think it'd be satisfactory. A little overblown and melodramatic, perhaps, but at the very least it works with what came before. So I'm left with the conclusion that Dual Destinies is the problem.
Clay Terran does not exist. He doesn't exist in 4, or 6, and only as a ghost in 5. We aren't in Apollo's headspace, we don't get to see him before he dies, he's just a plot device to give Apollo relevance. Yet they don't put in the work, making it feel cheap and schlocky, just something for Apollo to do while Phoenix does the work.
Apollo Justice is perhaps one of the most strangely handled successor characters in the series, and this is as much trying to get my thoughts out on these three very disparate games. I know that it being the "Apollo Justice trilogy" is a misnomer, and I shouldn't judge it as such. But given Apollo was meant as the first successor, it's crazy to me how much they didn't know what they were doing. But I do think that SoJ shows sizable improvements.
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Last week I posted about my dreadnought base not having power after I reset it. I just figured it out. I have started a new save and played enough to get a freighter. The new freighter and my dreadnought were nearly identical, but the new one has a component my dreadnought does NOT have. I checked my other saves. All of them have the component.
"Timestamp":1695428886,
"ObjectID":"^AIRLCKCONNECTOR",
"UserData":4294967296000,
"Position":[
0.00003099999958067201,
4.0,
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],
"Up":[
0.0,
1.0,
0.0
],
"At":[
0.0,
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-1.0
],
"Message":""
},
This is in every one of my freighters EXCEPT my dreadnought. So I reset my base in the test save. Guess what? No power. No airlock connector either. I cannot build this piece so it must be there from the get-go. I have no clue what it looks like.
Is there ANY legit way to get this back onto my freighter? I know I could use the save editor to paste it in, but I have no clue what that "userdata" is, where the position would place it, or anything else about it. On top of that we just upgraded to 5.51 and I am not sure the save editor would even save the game properly. It has not been updated yet.
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2025.01.31 02:53 Middle_Exercise4556 Essay on loneliness
This post began as an open letter but I got carried away. I am sorry that you are lonely. Are you also constantly searching to understand how your loneliness might be justified by some moral failure? A lack of repentance? I do. I think that if I apologize or improve myself enough that I will earn a friend. Supposably the real failure is in the effort to make on, or perhaps in the personality. Does a personality that does not lend itself well to friendship, or making friends, have to be "improved" upon? I guess it is semantic. It has to change in order for you to make friends. Then we must balance the unhappiness of suppressing our real selves with the unhappiness of isolation. An unfair ultimatum, but also a nearly universal experience to different extents. The third idea is to look at this change as something to be happy about, which I think asserts objective improvement rather than suppression.
We have read on here and elsewhere that no one is coming to save us. I'd like to think I would save you. And that you would save me. But sometimes the barrier to saving each other is too great. I'm not sure the version of the self it takes to overcome that barrier is the same one that feels the desire to overcome it, nor one that you'd want to employ (or have employed) once on the other side. Are these trivial barriers that have kept lonely people like us from others? If not simply incompetence or bad luck, that is. Consider this quote by Simone Weil: "The day, if it ever comes, when you are given true affection there will be no opposition between interior solitude and friendship, quite the reverse. It is even by this infallible sign that you will recognize it. Other affections have to be severely disciplined." I personally think of myself as a loser, with all due respect. But I don't know what my winning condition is. It seems impossible, for truly inexplicable reasons. There is nothing about reality that seems to preclude one, yet it doesn't exist. I wish I was more of a hero in life, and that the triumphs that motivate me were more empathetic, grandiose, and less self-serving. I am not really a good friend or person for this reason; if you disagree with that assessment then you perhaps are not either, which is okay.
I have tried to make sense of this world through a religious lens at times. I wonder if you have. I think it is a beautiful perspective, but while I am not so much doubtful of the concept of God, I struggle to focus on keeping that interface in mind. And there are too many mundane circumstances that people and society try to pass off as God (i.e., at least independent of human intermediaries). The idea has not necessarily brought me peace, which leads me to another quote of Weil's: "It is a fault to wish to be understood before we have made ourselves clear to ourselves. It is to seek pleasures in friendship and pleasures which are not deserved. It is something which corrupts even more than love. You would sell your soul for friendship." To note, Simone Weil wrote this in a personal journal, as a reminder to her own self (which seemed to struggle with this concept) in addition to the rhetorical "you".
I respect Simone Weil a lot for her religious approach to Stoicism. I think this approach works best because confirmation of the value of Stoic principles for any given individual is a function of how much they can withstand while remaining committed to the philosophy's advertised grace. It is, of course, easier to propose this quote if you have friends; a given person may even have a disposition that would allow them to endure more loneliness than another while remaining committed to that quote, but that supposition is not meaningful until tested. Weil also acknowledges this: "The weaker the character of him who endures affliction, the more quickly is the 'I' destroyed... The position of this limit, whether near or far, is probably a fact of nature in the same way as a gift for mathematics, and he who, without having any faith, is proud of preserving his morale in difficult circumstances, has no more reason to be so than the youth who is conceited because mathematics come easily to him." With religion, we can see these uncomfortable ideals as unattainable asymptotes of peace (perhaps after death) which we only approach with increasing distress. Whether it is worthwhile to "approximate" what may be a qualitatively unattainable end is a question I have not answered for myself.
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I did the "pro" account signup someone from Kijiji said they would upgrade my account in TOronto but they never called back..
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Thank you in advance .
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Barcelona one is just nostalgia lol, got it in 2009 when i visited the Camp Nou.
Blind bought BDC Parfum and it’s on the way.
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