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2025.01.19 21:42 Willing-Prune2852 Sola scriptura is self-defeating, since the Bible constantly warns against self-interpreting and promotes obedience to the authority of divinely instituted teaching offices
I posted something similar to this yesterday, but did a total overhaul of part #3 of the argument to make it clearer based on the comments.
Definition
Sola Scriptura does not necessarily mean that the Bible is the only source of Christian instruction. But what it does affirm is that tradition is inherently secondary to scripture, because only scripture is infallible. The opposing claim - made by the Apostolic Churches (Catholic and Orthodox) - is that the right to infallibly doctrinally define scripture belongs to the council of Bishops - who are the successors to the Apostles, distinguished by an unbroken line tracing back to the original twelve - just as it was promised to the original twelve (John 14:16-26, Matt. 16:18-19). They (purportedly) carry on the infallible universal ecclesial authority described in the book of Acts.
The New Covenant The Mosaic religion begins with the reception of the Ten Commandments. God's next act of business is to spend 15 chapters of Exodus and 16 chapters of Leviticus describing liturgical statutes. Then, chapters 17-27 focus on Levitical conduct. God makes it clear that if the people “keep [His] word,” then “[He] will be their God” (Leviticus 26:3-13).
There are 27,000 contiguous words describing liturgy between Exodus and Leviticus. There are 223 words in 1 Corinthians 11:23-32, the only explicit description of Apostolic liturgical practice in scripture. We don’t even have that passage because Paul wanted to write it down to pass on to future generations. We have it because he had to scold the Corinthians for messing it up.
God’s command was to keep the 613 Mosaic statutes. Christ's command is 18 words. “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another just as I have loved you” (John 13:34).
Modern artists have managed to make replicas of Solomon's temple due to the incredible detail recorded in 3 Kings. Meanwhile, Acts doesn't have a single description of a Christian church.
The Apostles were aware their writings held the same authority as scripture. In 2 Peter 3:15-17, Peter refers to Paul’s epistles as scripture. But they were not interested in codifying a robust library for future followers. To the contrary, they purposely avoided creating a robust scriptural deposit. Paul said, “the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life” (2 Corinthians 3:3-8), referencing Jeremiah’s prophecy that the new covenant would not be scriptural (Jeremiah 31:31-34). Consequently, the Apostles spent a lot more time preaching than writing things down (1 Cor 11:34, 1 Thess 5:1-2, 2 Thess 2:5, 2 John 12).
There are almost no “ground rules” anywhere in the New Testament. Every epistle is ad-hoc, addresses specific concerns and situations, and carries an expectation that the audience was aware of pre-existing norms and practices (I Cor 2:1-2 and 15:1-3, Gal 1:8, 1 Thess. 2:13, Rom 10:14 and 15:20-22, Eph 1:13, Jude 3). There are almost no verses about the roles of the elders, deacons, and presbyters. We are never told their exact qualifications, what they do, nor given any details on how they do it.
For 300 years after the Apostles had died, the Christian Church thrived without a canon of scripture. Even then, it would be more than a thousand years before any meaningful number of people in Europe could read. So for 1500 years, the practice remained substantially the same - tradition, community, faith, and authority.
The Interpretation Paradox Which is the higher authority - the law, or the judge applying the law? In ruling on the law, the judge is bound to serve the law, and in this sense the law is the higher authority. But, the judge, in interpreting the law, determines the meaning of the law in the context of the situation, considering not only the letter of the law, but the mind of the legislator and the legal precedent. We can see the question is paradoxical. Without the law, the judge has nothing to rule on; but without the judge, the law is just words on a page.
Now, consider an unjust or untrained judge: they may not be sufficiently familiar with the letter of the law to rule on it; or they may not truly know the mind of the legislator; or they may bear the wrong precedent in mind. If the judge rules unjustly because of these imperfections, though the law may be just, the result will be unjust.
Let me ask another question: which is the higher authority – the Bible, or the Christian reading the Bible? In interpreting the Bible, the believer is bound to serve the Bible as the word of God, and in this sense the Bible is the higher authority. But the interpreter, in interpreting the Bible, determines the meaning of scripture in the context of their situation, considering not only the letter, but the mind of God and the Christian tradition. We can see this question is paradoxical. Without the Bible, the interpreter hasn't the word of God; but without the interpreter, the Bible is just words on a page.
Now consider an unjust or untrained Christian: they may not be sufficiently familiar with the whole of the canon to judge one part; or they may not have sufficient wisdom to know the mind of God, the legislator; or they may be interpreting in the context of a bad tradition.
The Bible itself presents the problem of the “bad judge” as an existential threat to salvation. Throughout the Old Testament, there are constant condemnations of the error of pagan and Jew alike doing “what is right in his own eyes” (Judges 21:25, Deut 12:8, Proverbs 3:5, Proverbs 14:12, Psalm 12:1-4). The New Testament gives the same warnings about "hearing what we want to hear and preaching what we want to preach" (Matt. 24:24, 2 Tim 4:3-4, 1 John 4:1, 2 Peter 2:1).
Is there an answer to this issue? Well, it could just be that the Holy Spirit grants every Christian the gift to judge scripture rightly. Jeremiah did say that all men would know God, “from the greatest to the least” (Jeremiah 31:31-34). But that cannot be so; scripture and empirical evidence disagree. Peter’s second epistle makes explicit reference to misinterpretation of Paul's epistles already becoming an issue while he was still alive: “[Paul’s] letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction” (2 Peter 3:15-16). Peter has the same dire tone as the Old Testament. Misinterpreting scripture leads to doing what is right in your own eyes, and that leads to destruction.
Now, one may argue that the Bible is so clear that none could possibly deviate from it in good faith. But we've already established that the New Covenant is incredibly vague. And it's not as if God couldn't have been more specific; He was with Moses. He chose against it this time. So, for sola scriptura to be true, we must believe that God’s express plan was to create a vague, scriptural religion in which each is his own judge... contrary to His promise of a non-scriptural covenant, and constant, dire warnings against self-reliance.
The Pillar of Truth Of course, that doesn't make any sense. There is only one truth; there is no division in God. God came to give us the one truth, such that we would "no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming" (Ephesians 4:14). Again, there can only be one truth; there is no division in God. Christ says His Church will be one (John 17:20-21). St. Paul calls the Church "the pillar and foundation of truth" (1 Tim. 3:15). Those within the Church will be "one in spirit and of one mind” (Philippians 2:1-2). He also calls the Church the "body of Christ," and compares the members to limbs (1 Corinthians 12:27). How does this body stay so intimately united?
We know that at the Last Supper, Christ promised the Apostles "the Spirit of truth" who will "abide forever" and "teach [them] all things" (John 14:16-18). We know that Christ gave Peter the "keys to the kingdom of Heaven" and told him whatever he "binds on earth is bound in Heaven," and whatever he "looses on earth is loosed in Heaven" (Matt. 16:18-19). We know that the Apostles chose their successors in Holy Orders by the laying on of hands, which Paul describes giving to Timothy (2 Tim 1:6) and instructing him to only pass on to men ready to be spiritual shepherds (1 Tim 3, 2 Tim 2:2). We know that unbroken line of succession still exists in the Apostolic Churches today. And we know they believe that Christ's promise of divine protection from doctrinal error to the Apostles has been passed on to the modern Episcopate.
Does the bad moral behavior of the Episcopate negate this promise? We know God upheld his promise of prophecy to the Caiaphas, even when he planned to kill Jesus (John 11:49-52). Christ decried the false piety of the Pharisees, but He also said to obey the Pharisees, "for they sit on the chair of Moses" (Matthew 23:1-3). In the Old Testament, He immediately damned a group who rejected Moses' authority in favor of their own (Numbers 16). He instituted the death penalty for anyone who disobeyed the Levitical magistrates (Deuteronomy 17:8-13). Scripture makes it clear that a divinely instituted office maintains its power and authority, regardless of who occupies it. If this was the case for the Pharisees, how much more so for the Apostolic offices of the everlasting covenant? Christ said the Spirit of truth given to the Apostles will abide forever; not "until they died."
Let us observe the Biblical signs of a false church. St. Paul says false apostles "disguise themselves as Apostles of Christ," comparing it to Satan masquerading as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:13-15). He says "dissensions and factions" are works of the flesh and will lead to damnation (Galatians 5:21). St. Peter speaks likewise, saying "false teachers" will "secretly introduce destructive heresies," and be "sent to hell" (2 Peter 2:1-12). He says bluntly that “it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them” (2 Peter 2:21).
So, we have a rather clear picture of the false shepherd. The ravening servant of Satan bound for destruction looks like a Christian. We have a clear picture of the fruits of his labor: clever heresies, misinterpretation, disobedience to tradition. Does this not describe Protestantism? Martin Luther himself famously complained "there are as many sects and creeds as heads." Does this not describe Protestantism, which has a home for any type of sin you like? The origin of everything from the racist KKK to lesbian "bishops" putting Muslim prayer rooms in their churches to Mormon Unitarianism? Is Protestantism not the herald of disobedience, invented tradition, and endless schism? Can we deign to say Christ is present where there is no unity, no authority, no confession for the forgiveness of sins (John 20:20-23) and no acknowledgement of His body (Matt. 26:26, Mark 14:22, Luke 22:19, John 6:51, 1 Cor 11:27)?
Conversely, after 1,000 years of schism the Apostolic Churches are remarkably similar. The Catholics and Orthodox use icons, pray to saints, pray for the dead, consider scripture infallible, make use of the sacraments, believe Baptism is ordinarily necessary for salvation, profess the transformative effect of grace (theosis), maintain the ministerial male priesthood and episcopate, believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, the sinlessness of Mary, and much more. An outsider could not tell the difference between an Eastern Rite Catholic Church and an Eastern Orthodox Church.
It takes an immense amount of spiritual pride to have a lucid recognition of the similarity of the Apostolic Churches, the lineage of their authority, the centuries of brilliant minds teaching and peer-reviewing under each, the fact that they compiled and translated the Bible, wrote the creed, dogmatized the Trinity, developed prayer and meditation from its infancy, defeated ancient heresies... and then to look at oneself and say "I can do it better." To look at the thousand Protestant sects and say "they got it wrong; but not me." To look at scripture's warnings against self-reliance and invent for oneself a false god who "doesn't mind how we interpret." A false god who did not give us "a pillar and foundation of truth," but instead abandoned us to ourselves.
Conclusion Sola scriptura inherently leads to self-referential spirituality, as the New Covenant is extraordinarily vague. This is an existential problem, as the Bible constantly asserts that self-reliance leads to damnation. Though I would not deign to judge the souls of individual Protestants, it remains abundantly clear that Protestantism bears all the aforementioned marks of the Satanic influence, and none of the aforementioned marks of the Spirit. Protestant churches are inherently atomized, disobedient to tradition in one form or another, and rife with disagreement. The very scripture which sola scriptura depends upon condemns it both in principle and in empirical result.
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2025.01.19 21:42 Neo_Sev7n Why does it not work properly? That's so basic.
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2025.01.19 21:42 IcyFile8088 Alternate Char - Trouble with Mercenary
Hi all,
I’m really new to POE universe and took a deep dive on a Stormweaver Sorc, currently lvl 91. I’m having a blast, fantastic gameplay, etc.
It happens that I decided to level an alternate Merc and… It seems like I didn’t played the game at all 🤣
Act 1 was a breeze with the shitty uniques that I found with my main char and had no level requirements.
But the thing is that I’m finding the Merc really clunky and slow (the reload time is something ridiculous). Even when I was leveling my sorc it didn’t felt so slow (please note that I did not had any gear on the sorc, and it felt amazing).
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Hope that with your support I can get this alternate char up to speed and have even more fun during the campaign.
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Asalam Alaikum wa Rahmatulahi wa Barakatuhu,
I am looking for an app/website (paid or free) that can help manage Quran hifz students. Can someone point to any they have used or seen?
Ideally app has features like:
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JazakAllah khair for any help in advance.
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